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28 thoughts on “Magic TV: Show #25 – Budgeting for Legacy”

  1. I think you forgot one very important deck, among others.

    Dredge has one very expensive card: Lion’s Eye Diamond. Not every deck plays those, but it’s not like they’re not useable in other decks or even completely necessary Tireless Tribe, for instance, is an acceptable substitute if you cut the Deep Analyses in the deck for more lands. Besides that, there’s nothing too pricey. It has a manabase made of cheap rainbow lands (so no duals,) not a single card over five bucks besides Bridge from Below, and has a really strong matchup versus blue-based decks that are oh-so-popular in Legacy. It also just crushes any deck that’s unprepared. I played it at the LA 5k and finished in the money, so I might be a bit biased, but I think it’s the best deck in Legacy for its price (With LED, about 200, without, about 80!)

    Other decent to good budget choices that you skipped are Dragon Stompy (which I would wait on getting till Chrome Mox and Chalice rotate out,) and rainbow-land based storm combo (TES, though it requires LEDs).

  2. Nice episode, I thought the last little bit was funny. I was wondering how to you submit your questions? Do you just email a question to [email protected] from any email? What other information is required?

  3. Good topic. Lion’s Eye Diamond is pretty expensive in Ad Nauseum and Belcher though I didn’t notice it mentioned.

  4. Brian Coghlan (KaGGo)

    Kobolds is a cheap legacy deck. Not really really cheap but it has a few Gaea’s Cradles, 2-3 Taigas which equal about 100. Then you have your gamble, Beastmasters Ascension, Tinder walls, Glimpse of nature, elvish spirit guides, ornithopters and a goblin Bushwhacker! Mb a grapeshot and a few sideboard choices but overall its only pricy stuff can be used in other decks.

  5. Where can you buy the cards to make a burn for $50 for legacy? And where can you get chain lignting’s for $5?

    A playset of wasteland’s at $45-60 would exceed 50$ alone.

  6. Considering they were doing this on the fly, I think they did a pretty good job summing up budgeting Legacy.

  7. Wastelands are optional in burn. An optimal burn deck might not even include them, since you want to sacrifice mountains to Fireblast and whatnot, while not running many land.

    Chain Lightning has spiked recently, mostly thanks to Zoo. At least they are cheap online (where Legacy will debut shortly!). 😛

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  9. Pardon my ignorance but Imperial Recruiter? Why is that guy $600 (for 4 I assume), is there a combo in that deck that does silly things?

    Card Name: Imperial Recruiter
    Mana Cost: 2Red
    Converted Mana Cost: 3

    Types: Creature – Human Advisor
    Card Text:
    When Imperial Recruiter enters the battlefield, search your library for a creature card with power 2 or less, reveal it, and put it into your hand. Then shuffle your library.
    P/T:
    1 / 1

  10. @ Bearman

    Painters Servant / Grindstone combo deck. Good way to get the painter out on turn 2 or 3 with the Grindstone already out to get a win on their next draw.

  11. @ Bearman The reason why it’s so expensive is because the set it’s in (three kingdoms) is very, very rare. Not many copies of each card.

  12. Great episode. Legacy is a great format and as long as you go into it with a spending plan it won’t cost you a fortune.

    One thing I think is worth mentioning is that it is almost always better to play a complete version of a budget deck like Burn or Merfolk than to play a budget version of a more expensive archetype. If you need to run Werebear instead of Tarmogoyf, you’re better off playing a deck that doesn’t need Tarmogoyf.

  13. Hey LSV,
    If you were going to run your extended elf deck at a legacy event what would you change in it to make it more competative in legacy

  14. @ Chris

    Elvish Spiritguide is probably an autoinclude for more speed.

    Gaea´s Cradle seems like it would be good aswell.

    I could see Skyshroud Poacher do some cray things in a deck like that but not sure if it´s optimal.

    Fyndhorn Elves are a Llanowar Elves reprint

    I think Starcity had an article about Elves in Vintage some time ago. In Vintage you can run Scullclamp though which is obv awsome in the deck but more important there are no countertop decks you meed to fight through. Still should be possible to make am Elfdeck that should be able to do well obut I think Elves have a better shit in Vintage were deck have less removal etc.

  15. Found decklists
    —————–
    Elves, by Rich Shay and Owen Turtenwald
    (Top 8 at Myriad Games on 12/6/08)

    4 Wooded Foothills
    4 Forest
    4 Windswept Heath
    1 Bayou
    4 Birchlore Rangers
    4 Fyndhorn Elves
    4 Heritage Druid
    4 Llanowar Elves
    4 Nettle Sentinel
    4 Wirewood Symbiote
    1 Regal Force
    2 Elvish Visionary
    4 Quirion Ranger
    1 Viridian Shaman
    1 Mox Emerald
    1 Black Lotus
    4 Skullclamp
    4 Glimpse of Nature
    1 Grapeshot
    4 Summoner’s Pact

    Sideboard:
    1 Viridian Shaman
    3 Gleeful Sabotage
    4 Thoughtseize
    4 Leyline of the Void
    3 Xantid Swarm

    And the revised list that the Author (Matt Elias) sugested in his article.

    Elves, suggested by Matt Elias

    4 Wooded Foothills
    3 Forest
    3 Windswept Heath
    3 Bayou
    1 Mox Emerald
    1 Black Lotus
    1 Gaea's Cradle
    4 Birchlore Rangers
    4 Fyndhorn Elves
    4 Heritage Druid
    4 Llanowar Elves
    4 Nettle Sentinel
    3 Wirewood Symbiote
    1 Regal Force
    1 Eternal Witness
    4 Quirion Ranger
    1 Viridian Shaman
    4 Skullclamp
    4 Glimpse of Nature
    1 Grapeshot
    4 Summoner’s Pact
    1 Fastbond

    Sideboard:
    4 Seal of Primordium
    4 Thoughtseize
    2 Xantid Swarm
    3 Tormod's Crypt
    2 Pithing Needle

    ——————————-
    Some cards are banned in legacy though but should give you some ideas 🙂

  16. ELves is decent in legacy (thats a vintage list up there, btw), and I top-8ed an event once with them. It’s not that costly (and somewhat necessary) to splash a second color, as its acceptable to play shocklands or gilt-leaf palace if you’re not running quirion drayd. It does, however, get better with natural orders, but those slots ca be weird harvests or disruption or utility. It is, however, a metagame deck, as it’s baad against counterbalance, poor against speed combo (dredge, ANT), has something like 45% against fish/ tempothresh…But, it does have some resiliency, consistency, a plan B of beatdown, and a ridiculous zoo matchup. Not a bad cheap deck at all.

    I’d say budget should be defined as few (not necessarily no) duals, no Goyfs, preferably no FOW, and no random ridiculouly expensive cards (tebernacle/moat).
    I’d consider merfolk, enchantress, UW tempo, belcher, as budget decks
    Also, I’m building UW tempo (the one thats done well at the last 2 starcitys), and it’s waay better than it ooks, if hard to pilot

    Thanks for making this, it was well done and interesting

  17. Goblins is still a legacy deck, but it isn’t very budget. Most lists splash black, green, or both, and they’ll all have 4 wastelands, 4 Aether vials, and 4 Goblin Lackey, none of which are very cheap, despite being uncommons.

    Monowhite control (The Mighty Quinn) can be a pretty good deck, and while not under 100 dollars, if you don’t play a moat, it can be fairly cheap, although grindstones can be a bit spendy. Keep in mind that with pridemage being more and more popular, moat is worth less and less and humility is better and better, so I’m not sure if an optimal list would even play moat.

  18. Aether Vial are uncommons, can´t imagine them being very expensive.

    And Yes, I know my listst were Vintage lists, I even wrote that if you look 😛

    But it atleast give some idea of what cards are available that wasn´t legal in extended. Most notable I´d say Spirit Guides and Cradle (since you don´t have moxen in legacy)

  19. wheel of armageddon

    I wonder when Tristan will run out of jerseys. Pretty impressive run so far, though I should say I don’t really agree with too many of his choices so far (Sens and Preds? Come on, man!). 😀

  20. I don’t know too much about Legacy, but Aether Vial, Goblin Lackey, and Rishadan Port are all roughly $10. Wasteland is more like $20. I guess that’s not too budget, but other than Lackey aren’t those cards all similar to dual lands (playable in multiple decks, so good investments if you’re interested in Legacy)?

  21. “think you forgot one very important deck, among others.

    Dredge has one very expensive card: Lion's Eye Diamond. Not every deck plays those, but it's not like they're not useable in other decks or even completely necessary Tireless Tribe, for instance, is an acceptable substitute if you cut the Deep Analyses in the deck for more lands. Besides that, there's nothing too pricey. It has a manabase made of cheap rainbow lands (so no duals,) not a single card over five bucks besides Bridge from Below, and has a really strong matchup versus blue-based decks that are oh-so-popular in Legacy. It also just crushes any deck that's unprepared. I played it at the LA 5k and finished in the money, so I might be a bit biased, but I think it's the best deck in Legacy for its price (With LED, about 200, without, about 80!)”

    There’s also competitive builds of LEDless dredge.

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